Mike A: We want to be the band to make record companies eat shit.

Alice: What do you think about opening for the Go-Go's when you guys have been around longer?

Mike P: We're just easy marks.

Jeff: We wouldn't have agreed to it at first and then Randy said, "Oh yeah, the Go-Go's are headlining," so I guess we should have said we refuse to do it unless we headline cause we agreed to it under different circumstances but...

Mike P: So we said ok, we'll play.

Alice: Well, how do you feel about it?

Mike P: Obviously we don't want to play under other bands. We want to headline but...

Mike A: Especially bands that haven't been around as long as us, but what can we do, cancel?

Mike P: And it is supposed to be "billing doesn't matter" right?

Alice: No, everybody likes to say that, but it's not true.

Mike A: We could cancel but what would that do?

Al: What about opening for the Dickies?

Jeff: That was righteous indignation.

Mike A: We still did it though.

Jeff: It was a chance to play to 600 people.

Al: Did you complain about only 50 bucks?

Mike A: We complained about it on stage.

Al: But you agreed to do it for $50 bucks.

Jeff: So we could get a chance to complain.

Mike P: At the time, I understood that the Dickies manager was gonna pay us more money out of his own pocket, that's what I was told.

Jeff: Besides that, we would have played for $50 just because all the people were there and because the first three times we played, we didn't even get payed at all.

Mike A: And the last two times we got nothing!

Mike P: It's more fun to play than not to play.

Alice: David Forrest, manager of the Whisky, said the reason you guys and us only got $50 was because we were real mediocre bands and didn't deserve more than that.

Al: Do you call yourselves a punk band?

Jeff: For want of something else to call us.

Mike P: When the movement started... when we started playing we called ourselves a punk band before anybody else did. That's the style we were playing and that's what we wanted to play. There is a certain amount of anger in the music, but its kind of directionless. We're not mad at anyone person, we're not mad at fascists or communists or anything like that. We're just generally mad. Kind of frustrated but there's nothing we attack outright.

Gerrard: How many animals do you have? There's a snake and a dog.

Mike P: And a baby.

Gerrard: A baby what?

Jeff: Person!

Al: Where did you develop your vocal style?

Jeff: It just happened, like when they started the band, Mike was gonna play bass half the time and sing half the time because I wanted to play bass and Mike wanted to sing. But I couldn't play bass. They were real fast and I was just learning, so they kicked me off bass and the only thing left was to sing. They hated my singing at first cause Mike was singing melodically and I can't do that. There's no way my voice can sustain notes like that.

Mike A: So Jeff brought out the auctioneer style vocals.

Jeff: I just stuff in as many words as I can.

Al: Who writes the words?

Jeff: Me and Mike (P). Mike (A) only wrote one song, "Situations."

Al: When you play, you can't hear anything that you say. You're probably aware of that.

Mike P: That's a good reason for the single coming out, at least they'll be able to make out some of the lyrics.

Mike A: The lyrics will be printed.

Mike P: Our lyrics aren't stupid. They actually do make sense, so I like people to know what we are saying.

Jeff: We don't have a political stance like "We are Marxists, and anybody who isn't should get a bullet in his head." We're not Nazis or trying to shock people, but we are political in the sense we are against certain things.

Mike P: Like living and having to grow up in Orange County, having to work.

Jeff: We can't get a real political stance because we can't see any political, like we think, "so this government's bad, we don't like it." But any other political form would be just as bad but in a different way, communists still have to work. It's the same thing and we'd complain about it.

Mike P: I'd like to find a political movement I could really identify with and believe in enough to get worked up enough to base my entire life around. Everyone there is has its faults in it, we like vague - we don't like things, but we don't have any answers.

Al: Do you say, have a political stance?

Al: Why didn't you continue college?

Jeff: It's a waste of time, I went to two and a half years of college before I stopped fooling myself like I was doing something there.

Mike P: We were in Santa Ana college and we were gonna be like photographers and Jeff went to Cal State Fullerton and I was like an art major cause I couldn't think of anything else... You're supposed to grow up, go to school, go to college, and you're happy. We were in college not doing anything and thinking well next year, I'll get a major and then a career but obviously it wasn't happening. We went to college because there wasn't anything else to do besides work in a factory. I work at the 7-11 now 3 days a week to support the band and fool myself into thinking the band will eventually take off and we'll be signed to A&M Records or something. At least its something I can hope for. Mike A: Wait, Mike doesn't support the whole band. I don't want people to get the wrong idea.

Al: So what do you plan to do?

Mike P: I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing and put off any major decisions as long as possible. And hopefully the band will do something, if not I'll have to go figure out something else. But it's kind of frightening to think I'm gonna be a plumber in 10 years and be miserable my whole life. So I fool myself into thinking "Well Middle Class is gonna make it someday."

Jeff: And who knows, maybe it will.

Al: The band has a better chance than college?

Jeff: Yeah, if I were in college I'd get bored. I wouldn't do anything....

Mike P: Yeah, get bored, cut classes, and go bowling or something, I realize I'm not going to do anything with my life. I have no determination to become an accountant.